How OpenAI Used Its Own LLMs to Design Its Jalapeño Chip

(spectrum.ieee.org)

48 points | by maxall4 2 hours ago

11 comments

  • pama 1 hour ago
    Having worked with people doing bringup of specialized chips, I am awed at how the world has changed.

    > When the first chips came back from the foundry in May, the team pointed its internal AI models at designing software to run benchmarks such as SemiAnalysis’s InferenceX. On DeepSeek’s multi-head latent attention kernel benchmark, performance climbed from 0.31 percent of the theoretical ceiling (set by the chip’s compute and memory bandwidth) to 88.94 percent in roughly 40 hours. Ho says this result is repeatable, so the time between when foundries deliver the first chips and when production ramps up can be reduced. “All our schedule assumptions are going to be based on the fact we have this capability now,” he says.

  • karim79 1 hour ago
    I grow Jalapeños. This conflation of AI and actual chili peppers irks me.
    • amelius 1 hour ago
      Guess how electrical engineers feel about the term "transformers".
      • frangonf 58 minutes ago
        As a former EE, attention was all I needed to not get zapped.
      • karim79 1 hour ago
        This is an excellent comment. I'm still laughing.
    • Lalabadie 1 hour ago
      I do generative art (no relation to AI prompting). I feel your frustration.
      • fragmede 58 minutes ago
        Cryptographers also got the same raw deal with cryptocurrency, and every one just said "crypto?"
      • TomGarden 1 hour ago
        Oh my!
    • asveikau 1 hour ago
      Just think of how the people of Xalapa, Mexico feel. They should send them a royalty check.
    • seanmcdirmid 56 minutes ago
      Jalapeño also used to be a Java VM written in Java at IBM.
    • smitty1e 26 minutes ago
      To say nothing of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
    • glitchc 1 hour ago
      Feeling the burn?
    • Razengan 1 hour ago
      > irks me

      It's jalapeño grill would you say?

      • karim79 1 hour ago
        Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll tell you, home grown Jalapeño peppers, fermented with 3% salt is the stuff of dreams.
        • wiml 1 hour ago
          "It's all up in yo' grill, would you say?"
          • Razengan 1 hour ago
            You know what really grinds my gears? Friction.
      • chrismarlow9 24 minutes ago
        slow claps
    • honeycrispy 1 hour ago
      I'm annoyed that the meaning of the word "Agent" has been obliterated.

      Like, why couldn't they invent a new word and not hijack an existing word?

      • karim79 1 hour ago
        Call it GPTChippomatic or something. Please leave my peppers alone.
      • Razengan 1 hour ago
        Did you not watch the Matrix documentary?
  • program_whiz 34 minutes ago
    With a few handy tips and tricks from apple insiders. But sure, I guess the LLMs helped too.
  • xpct 21 minutes ago
    Aw, I was expecting more details but this just seems to be a rehash of what they unveiled a month ago.
  • gozucito 31 minutes ago
    It is surprising to me that recursive self-improvement seems more plausible now than it did in 2023. Am I the only one to be surprised?

    I remember the paper proving that hallucinations could never be fully solved back in 2024: https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.05746

    I also remember the hang-wringing about running out of new datasets to train on. Now it appears humans are always generating more data. It's just not as cheap to acquire as legacy data? Meta has to give a deep discount on their API prices to entice people.

    I thought back then that humans had a few more breakthroughs in them as meaningful as the seminal Attention is all you need paper. Enough to 100x the capabilities of LLMs back then (10x the smarts and 10x the speed simultaneously).

    RSI with a 20 month turnaround for a chip to be made is not exactly breakneck speed though. Physical manufacturing and logistical constraints are going to be and remain a hard obstacle to that process for the foreseeable future.

  • ramshanker 22 minutes ago
    So when can we start getting cheap chips? RAM anyone please!
    • faitswulff 7 minutes ago
      Everyone's still bottlenecked on foundries, not designs.
  • amelius 1 hour ago
    At some point people will use an LLM to design an Apple M series competitor.
    • xpct 9 minutes ago
      Isn't that weird? The full knowledge of how to make such chips may one day be accessible to anyone, yet only the entrenched companies will remain the makers.

      If we imagine machines being able to do the full process end-to-end, and the quality of that process only dependent on capital spent on tokens, I don't see how new companies could ever enter the market.

    • Lramseyer 1 hour ago
      Production grade CPU design is more than just the RTL (the source code.) To achieve the performance numbers that these companies get, you have to do a ton of optimization in your physical design to achieve the power/performance/area (PPA) metrics that make these products competitive. LLMs are not suitable for that kind of work.

      There are people working on PPA optimization and trying to shake up how things are done, just not with LLMs.

      • btown 58 minutes ago
        Something that I think is fascinating, though, is that labs are no longer beholden to the limitations of commercial design software. Want to replace your simulator and optimizer with a fully custom verifiable stack of Lean proofs of optimality and correctness? Just throw your unlimited token budget at it.
        • xpct 18 minutes ago
          I don't work in the business, but my understanding was that even with these companies' budgets, it's still too expensive to do any kind of verified performance optimality.
    • bhouston 1 hour ago
      It is probably doable right not to push a risc-v design into that performance space.
    • bigyabai 1 hour ago
      They won't, because they'd need an ARM architecture license.
  • google234123 23 minutes ago
    Congrats to the former TPU team
  • geraneum 47 minutes ago
    Whatever happened with the Apple lawsuit?
  • muchdoubt 39 minutes ago
    Seems pretty obvious now that OpenAI is just hyping their models in order to get companies (in this case, chip developers) to use their products in order to learn from their (exfiltrated) IP. Any corporation would be foolish to use any of their or Microsoft’s products, particularly those with valuable IP.
  • cute_boi 1 hour ago
    openai should figure out how to make lithography machine, so ASML don't have monopoly on it.
    • TomGarden 1 hour ago
      The Chinese have been working on EUV for a while
    • bigyabai 1 hour ago
      "Reverse engineer this DARPA project, make no mistakes"